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In this interview, Eiger Capital's Stephen Wood shares why he is overweight IT services and underweight consumer discretionary right now.
Ally Selby

Livewire Markets

There have been a few major topics that have taken up far too many pages of Australia's financial media outlets in 2023. 

Think the possible peak of interest rates both locally and abroad, the potential for recession, and the rebound we have seen in mega-cap tech over in the US. 

While the first two questions remain unanswered, the meteoric rise in tech stocks is happening in the here and now. Nvidia (NASDAQ: NVDA), for example, has risen 172% in the past five months alone. 

But it's not just the US tech giants that have seen their share prices soar in 2023. Since the beginning of the year, the S&P/ASX All Technology Index has risen more than 20%. 

In this interview, Eiger Capital's Stephen Wood shares why he is overweight IT Services right now (and reveals three stocks he is backing over the year ahead). 

He also reveals why he is underweight the consumer discretionary sector, as well as a handful of red flags he believes could be helpful for investors trying to navigate today's volatile market environment. 

Note: This interview was recorded on Thursday 25th May 2023. You can watch the video or read an edited transcript below.


Edited Transcript  

LW: Which red flags turn you off a company? 

Stephen Wood: Everyone's got their beef when it comes to things that they look at and just go, "Oh, not this again." For me, one would be companies that are just complex. You just sit down, going through an interim or a full-year result, and management starts explaining how they make their earnings, and how their business has evolved in a challenging time. And after 10 minutes, you're still going, "What is it you sell? How do you add value to a client? And how do I understand what your margin is?" So if we get companies where we simply get through them after a while of listening to how it works and we still can't quite get it, that's one. 
One of my other pet hates is adjusted or below-the-line earnings and pro-forma. 

There's a set of statutory rules. How about we just report statutory earnings? And if you've got some big things that you need to call out, sure, call them out. But if you've got a litany of 10 or 15 things, and then, lo and behold, next year, the same offenders are at it with their adjusted or their pro-formas or whatever you call it. Next year, it'll be the same businesses. 

Then there are companies that just report, "That's the profit and that's it. There's only one number. And by the way, if you want verification, look at the bank balance. It should go up or down roughly according to what the company's profit looks like." 

It's the companies with all the adjustments and the pro-formas where the bank balance has inevitably gone down and they've made a huge amount of money, and we don't like that either. Complexity, and adjusted earnings. 

And another one of our beefs at the moment is excessive stock-based comp, which companies copying Silicon Valley have just decided is free money. 

They'll stick it below the line and not even count it in profits. Those are three red flags at the moment.

LW: Where have input pressures eased and where do they remain? 

Stephen Wood: There are two areas where they've started to ease. The absolute standout is transport and logistics. Global container rates, or the ability to move goods, particularly when the shipping industry shut down a fair bit during COVID - you had to rely a lot more on air freight, shipping and logistics, having to hold more inventory, manning warehouses - the costs of container rates just went through the roof. That has now dramatically unwound to the extent that container prices went up more than tenfold. 
They're now right back where they were pre-COVID. 

That's all happened literally this year. That's one where there's been a dramatic cut in inflationary pressures for companies. 

The other one, as much as households right now are not going to believe this, but for large consumers of energy, the heat looks like it's come out of the global oil price, gas prices, and coal, to the extent of using that to generate electricity, the heat looks like it's coming out of that. It doesn't mean it's going to flow through to the consumer, but it should start flowing through to heavy industry, things like diesel, fairly soon.

LW: You are overweight IT Services and underweight Consumer Discretionary right now. Why?

IT SERVICES OVERWEIGHT

Stephen Wood: The first thing we need to understand is, a lot of these sectors have slightly different drivers, and IT services include a huge range of companies. Where the overweights come in our portfolio with respect to IT services are actually three investments we've got that are broadly in IT services, but they're actually in quite different spaces. 

The first one is a company that reported its results this week, a company called TechnologyOne (ASX: TNE). It's been a stellar performer in the small-cap space over the last decade. They sell software to councils, universities, and state governments for all manner of organisational software basically. They've always had a great business in Australia over a long period of time with clients virtually in every state, federal government, and council. 

Their business in the UK, which they've been working on for a decade, is now starting to get real traction. We hope it will be one of those overnight successes 10 years in the making. But the UK business looks like it's doing well. It's a well-run business. It has quality management, and management that has come through from internal succession, which we like. Also, given the customers, they're relatively immune to an economic downturn, and they've got some degree of pricing power because they've got a quality product. 

Another one we like is Life360 (ASX: 360). It is more in the consumer space. It's a business that a lot of families use in Australia by osmosis. It's never been sold here. Its real home market is the United States, where its paying circles, its subscription business, has grown extremely rapidly, including through COVID, when in theory you didn't actually have to know where anybody was because guess what? They're in the other room. 

It grew nicely through COVID. They've put through some price rises recently. They seem to have stuck. They've taken advantage of the downturn in Silicon Valley to let a few staff go. They don't have to keep as many people on the bench if you like, because a few years ago you couldn't get them back. Now you can. So that's the second one.

The third tech stock we like, which has a defensive property element to it, is NEXTDC (ASX: NXT). Once again, it is a company that's grown through the small-cap space progressively over the last 15 years. It's a major data centre provider now. I think the thing that we like about it, apart from the recent expansion to New Zealand and Malaysia, is that there's a chance, and we don't know yet, but just as the ever more powerful cameras in your iPhone or your Samsung have loaded up data centres with data and that Google searches have loaded up data centres with data, it's going to be fascinating to see what ChatGPT does. 

Will that actually just throw another exponential level of growth in data use? Because if it does, and I guess there's an expectation it will, then that is just going to be more demand for more servers and more data centres. That's our overweight to IT services. It comes from three pretty different areas, but it obviously bulks up to an overweight exposure to that sector.

CONSUMER DISCRETIONARY UNDERWEIGHT 

On the other side, we're underweight consumer discretionary spending. 
We think that the consumer has overspent on home furnishings and small renovations during COVID. 

There's been a big binge in travel in the last 12 months to make up for something that was taken away for a while. But we are just wary that interest rate pressure, utility prices, rent, and a general concern about the level of economic activity will, in the end, because spending in that space to have to, in the case of home furnishings and home spending, revert to the long-term growth rate. This means that if it rose during COVID, it's got to fall, and we expect that to happen over the next 12 to 18 months. The feedback from retailers, in particular, is that as this year has played out, the environment is slowly but surely getting tougher.

LW: Is there a stock within this sector that you are avoiding for those reasons? 

A stock in the consumer discretionary space that we've recently exited is Viva Energy (ASX: VEA). It's been a great performer, and part of the reason for exiting is that it hit our valuation targets. On that front, tick for management, because the stock price has risen a lot recently. 

However, they've just made a substantial new expansion in their discretionary footprint with a large acquisition. Sometimes, with large acquisitions, it's not a bad thing to sit back and see how the integration goes. See if the synergies come through. Maybe they take a bit longer than expected. We think the price they paid has been relatively full. 

We applaud what management's done long-term. They've got to diversify away from being a purer fuel and petrol retailer, no doubt about that. Probably given the rise in the stock price, the amount they've paid for the acquisition, the concerns about how fast they can integrate it, and of course, if there is a bit of a consumer slowdown, what does it mean if you've just bought a whole lot of extra convenience retailers? For those reasons, that's a stock that we've recently let go of.

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