Invest in companies with good corporate cultures (and an unlikely example to get you started)

Finding companies with good corporate cultures can also accentuate your portfolio's returns.
Hans Lee

Livewire Markets

Note: This episode was taped on Monday 28 October 2024.

Investing is, in some ways, like a job hunt. In a job hunt, evaluating whether a future employer’s corporate culture fits with your own culture is a very important part of the process. In investing, finding companies that have happy team members who feel fulfilled in their work and have positive things to say about their employment experience can be great fundamental indicators for businesses that can add alpha to your portfolio. 

One person who certainly subscribes to this view is Ryan Quinn, Client Portfolio Manager at WCM Investment Management. Quinn works at an organisation that not only claims to practice a good corporate culture in the office but extends that to include a team dedicated to eyeing companies with good corporate cultures of their own.

Yes, you read that right. WCM Investment Management has a team of analysts who conduct surveys of current employees, interview current board members, and even talk to former managers to get a sense of the working environment at the companies behind potential and current portfolio holdings. Then, they use that qualitative feedback as part of their investment process to decide if they will invest in a company or not. 

And while a "corporate culture" team might sound unusual (even odd) to some investors, it is a key part of a process that has returned more than 14% since its inception in 2008. Given what markets have been through in the last 16 years, that is no small feat.

In this edition of The Pitch, we ask Quinn to identify what makes a good corporate culture, some examples of corporate culture red flags, and an example of a company that demonstrates strong corporate culture. And I'm willing to bet you won't be able to guess what sector this company is in!

Livewire's Hans Lee and Ryan Quinn of WCM Investment Management
Livewire's Hans Lee and Ryan Quinn of WCM Investment Management

EDITED TRANSCRIPT

How would you define culture and what makes a good corporate culture? 

Quinn: I think those are two tough questions that we wrestled with when we first started this endeavour. The answer is it depends because if you own a railroad, or if you own a high-tech business, or you own a life science business, or you own a materials company, you can't say that you should use this good culture and it'll work. Because these are different businesses. 

What we learned very early on is that creating a framework to use when analysing a corporate culture was the most important thing. We did work on understanding how a company's culture can correlate to business outcomes. 

The things that we fell upon that we decided were most important is that the company's culture is aligned with its competitive advantage because the company's culture will define employee behaviour. Employee behaviour defines business outcomes. That alignment is key. 

The second piece is its strength. It has to be strong and broad across the entire firm. It can't just be understood by the CEO, the chief compliance officer, and the chief operating officer. It has to be everyone from the front door all the way to the top floor. 

The last piece is adaptability. We are owning businesses for a long time. They're going to grow. That'll create internal threats. Typically, if they're doing a good job, competitors will enter the space. Those are external threats. So we want to be able to find cultures that are well-aligned, strong, and adaptable. 

Why is it important for WCM to have a specific team looking at corporate culture?

Quinn: We benefited at WCM by focusing on our own healthy corporate culture, and once we decided we wanted to use that lens in the investing world, we're very clearly taking qualitative information. It's hard to take qualitative information and then make quantitative decisions. We don't have a scoring process. It's not a light shade of green to red and it's not a grade lettering scoring system. It's truly an analysis: company by company and basis by basis. 

What we wanted to be able to do was to find ways to understand businesses to help us own them for a longer period, and focusing on our own corporate culture was really what that was born out of. 

Can you share with us some examples of corporate red flags?

Quinn: Red flags are very company-specific because when we underwrite the culture of the company, the team is separate because we want to make sure it gets the light and attention that it deserves. It takes a very long time to understand the fundamentals of a business. You're typically not only looking at that company, you're looking at competitors and the overall competitive landscape, and you're making a lot of assumptions about what you think the business can do. 

We did not want to do that culture work and then check the box at the end. We wanted it to be a standalone. So it was a powerful tool for us. By doing that, we have very in-depth views of different businesses and understand what makes that company tick because those things can change over time. And so that's where a red flag will arise. 

If we go through an exhaustive data set of culture work on the business, and when we are paying attention to the company as it goes if we notice that a piece of that culture is deteriorating, disappearing, or worse yet, has even changed, that's when a red flag appears. 

Generally, if a company is hard-charging, cutthroat and very competitive, I mean those sound red-flag-like. But the reality is sometimes that's what's necessary to make a specific type of company grow and be excellent. It comes back to the alignment of the culture with the competitive advantage. And if those characteristic traits make the competitive advantage grow, then those are not red flags. Those are green flags. 

Can you tell us about a company that ranks really highly in this respect?

Quinn: Arthur J. Gallagher (NYSE: AJG) is an insurance brokerage business based in the US. In the 1980s, their CEO pinned down 25 different attributes called the Gallagher Way. It's an insurance brokerage business, and so [normally], I'd be stretched to find 25 ways to be a great insurance broker. But they recognised how important culture was to their ability to grow as a business. It's a competitive environment in this space and AJ Gallagher will tend to focus on these small and mid-sized businesses. They've carved a niche out for themselves. 

Their culture is very sales-oriented. So they want to support their sales team that goes out and tries to grow the business in this very sort of niche area of the market. Secondly, they're extremely client-centric, so they care about the relationship they have with their underlying clients, and they try to build that relationship over time. And so rather than just churning through and making sales quotas, they generally want to build these long-term relationships with their clients and be very client-centric.

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